Social networking tips from Brenden @ ArtistData.com

Brenden Mulligan founded ArtistData in 2006, to help bands save time by updating all their online profiles (including Bandzoogle) in a single place. Since then, over 20,000 artists have joined the service. We asked Brenden for his take on social networking and growing your fanbase.

Can you share your background, and how ArtistData got started?

Before ArtistData I worked for a record label and management company in Chicago called Aware. We had a joint venture with Columbia Records, so we'd handle a lot of the grassroots marketing and direct-to-fan interaction, and then run the artists through the Columbia/Sony machine for their album releases. When I was there our big releases were John Mayer, The Fray, Five For Fighting, Motion City Soundtrack, and Mat Kearney.

When I was at Aware, part of my day was exploring the growing digital marketing landscape. Part of that "exploring" was keeping a lot of our artists' profiles up-to-date across a variety of websites. It was instantly a nightmare and a pain point I knew needed to be fixed. So I left to star ArtistData to solve the pain point of data management across a network of sites.

With the growth of Facebook "fan pages", is having a MySpace page still a requirement for musicians? Is there value in maintaining multiple social network profiles?

It's still incredibly important that artists keep their MySpace pages up to date with their latest music, tour dates, blog posts, etc... MySpace is still an heavily visited music destination, and any artist who chooses not to update it is putting themselves at a disadvantage. It gets top search engine ranking and still is considered to be the place to go if you want to hear music by a band. So, yes, still very much a requirement.

Having said that, I also tell bands that although I suggest they keep their content updated on MySpace, they should do all interacting with their fans through Facebook, Twitter, and their own website. MySpace is no longer a valuable place to spend time communicating. Fans use MySpace as a content source, but not a communication system. So artists should interact with fans and build their community on Facebook, Twitter, and their websites (and email lists). MySpace has taught us that if you invest all you time in building a community of fans on someone else's network, you're not protected if that network takes a dive and fans don't sign in anymore. But if you build your own community and develop a large email list, you're protected.

But back to Facebook. I hope you'll see Facebook Fan Pages becoming a lot more musician friendly. Right now 3rd parties have built apps that make them more usable, by adding music and things Facebook doesn't make easy. So iLike (owned by MySpace), Reverbnation, and a few new companies are basically installing their page within your fanpage. I disagree with this approach, as I believe to get the true power of Facebook, things should happen ON facebook, not through a window of Facebook to someone else's site. But, up to this point, Facebook doesn't have a better solution. I truely hope that changes, because Facebook has a HUGE opportunity to really help bands grow their fanbase. Of course, if they did so, I my answer to your MySpace requirement question would probably be very different.

Do you have examples of musicians that are "getting it right" in terms of social media?

Anyone trying to engage fans is getting it right. The problem with saying "this artist really nailed it .. that's the way it should be done" is that usually the artists that get the most out of social media do something really unique and creative. When everyone copies, that no longer is so special or effective. But I think those artists who invest time to connect with fans through social media will see a long term reward. But it's not easy and it doesn't happen overnight.

Can you share some tips for how musicians can best use social networks (and ArtistData) to engage their fans?

(Readers, I swear that I wasn't paid by Bandzoogle to say this.) I think the most effective use of social media right now in the current landscape is to go to where the fans are (Facebook, Twitter) and engage them there in a way where you can bring them back to your website, where you can make them a real fan by capturing their email address and engaging them on a deeper level. Post news on Twitter that a new track is available for listening on your website, not your MySpace page. Drive people to the property you own, not someone else's network. Post part of a blog on Facebook that links back to your site for the complete version.

As far as how to capture them when they're on your site, the best way is give them something for free in exchange for additionally loyalty (that could mean for them to tell their friends about you, give you their email address, etc...). It's okay to give away a few tracks. You need to give them something to chew on. When they're more interested, you can monetize them through buying more music, merch, and concert tickets.

This doesn't mean you can't spend time nurturing audiences on these social networks. Artists should spend time on there meeting fans, posting gigs, encouraging fans to share information to their friends and followers, etc... The connection is made on these networks because that's where the fans are and they're already talking. But when the time is right, take that next step and get them to connect with you outside the walls of the networks.

Oh, and one other piece of advice. Only do what you want to do. Some musicians don't like the concept of Twitter and have no interest sharing more about themselves. If that's how you are, don't do it! Don't fake it, don't ask someone to tweet for you, etc... It's important that the musicians are real on these channels. If they try to fake it, it'll do more harm than good.

What do you see in store for the music industry in the next five years?

I think people will stop bitching about the lack of album sales and move onto thinking about the industry in a new way. There will be new channels created to capture value from fans. More mid-range bands will be able to use cost effective tools to make more money and quit their day jobs. Concert tickets will continue to rise and hopefully touring will become more environmentally friendly. And there will be more music, which is better for everyone.

Posted by Chris on April 07, 2010 | 18 comments

Comments

Posted by TheCoyote on April 07, 2010

What a trip! We must be on the same wavelength. Just before I read this post, I sent out a quick questionnaire asking how my band's e-mail recipients would like to get our gig announcements. (Initial results lean strongly towards adding Facebook, not one Tweeter yet.) Thanks for posting informative articles like this, Bandzoogle! You continue to rock!

Posted by chatterboxnynj on April 08, 2010

Excellent, guys, thanks! Even from a cover band standpoint, and being a band with Facebook/MySpace pages (and thanks to the new bandzoogle website I've built)...the thing that I always try to stress is to be personable and reach out...to respond to messages and occasionally post something more than 'this is our next show...come.' That said, I was considering starting a Twitter page but didn't know what kind of traffic it would start moving, or if it would help gain any buzz or people to shows. I've also explained to the other guys in the band that MySpace is practically dead in terms of reaching out (i used to have a ritual of finding venue pages on MySpace 2-3 weeks before a show and adding everyone I could as a way to gain fans, friends, and people to the show). Thrilled to read this though and see your thoughts and the need for maintaining the MySpace page (it is still there and updated, however, very little traffic comes it way anymore). Thanks again!

Posted by carriearmitage on April 08, 2010

I wish I could click a 'like' button Smile

Posted by sebastianportillo on April 09, 2010

Very good interview! I got a question that maybe could be discussed in more detail among bandzooglers:

I got the feeling that in the last couple of months I've been moving exactly into the described direction. Nevertheless, it seems almost impossible to get interactions on facebook as an artist through the artist page. What do you think or suggest, has to be done to increase the number of fans on a daily basis? How to generate traffic on FB for instance? Get new followers on Twitter without looking aggressive ect."

- Seb

Posted by AbbyFMusic on April 09, 2010

Very useful information! Thank you! You guys are the best! Smile

Posted by FEUD on April 12, 2010

Excellent - we're moving in this exact direction ourselves!
Even planning on giving away a load of tracks to people on our mailing list when our album is ready!

Posted by OldFolkie on April 13, 2010

I'm surprised to see musicians still using Myspace after the recent expose on the previous owners not paying musicians for their music sales. With the new owners assuming assets but not liabilities, what makes you think they're going to do any better by the musicians?

Posted by chatterboxnynj on April 13, 2010

For us...and again from a cover band standpoint...the Facebook page is used more or less to make us more personal and approachable. It's easy to send out information, it's easy to interact. MySpace is more or less so people could check out an easily accessible show calendar and listen to some demo tracks (albeit old). As far as gaining people without being overaggressive and moving some traffic, I basically tend to status update on FB when there's an update on the bandzoogle page to move more people over here (with a link on the status). Otherwise, FB is good because it's very difficult to be aggressive on, so people tend to add you at a much faster rate than they would MySpace. And we always have someone with a mailing list going around at shows. They get added on our social networking sites, and I'll be adding them to the bandzoogle mailing list after I move the old mailing list over.

Posted by ozealmusic on April 13, 2010

Insightful article! It's more evident than ever before that "connecting with your fans" is the lifeline to your music career. I agree with his statement concerning myspace, if you didn't establish a strong community with your fan base when it was popular, then good riddance! Facebook gives the artist an opportunity to really connect and communicate with the fans. It's also a reality check in finding how many supporters you truly have. Personally, it's motivating and compels me to become more creative in marketing/promoting. I make a point to respond to everybody's comments and do whatever I can to cultivate a real relationship. This is the most exciting time for any musician/band! It's up to us to decide the fate of our careers. With so many opportunities in every facet of this industry, we must take advantage and work hard in creative marketing but most importantly, taking care of our fans! Thank bandzoogle for the great article. Looking forward to learning more....

Peace,
Ozeal

Posted by CharlieScopoletti on April 13, 2010

Great Interview.. You got keep up with it all but always bring them back to your own site!

Posted by billymartini on April 13, 2010

Bandzoogle and ArtistData ROCK! We use both, and love them. Great interview!

Posted by ChrisWebb on April 17, 2010

I like the idea of bringing people back to your own site by posting parts of blogs! clever! Thanks.

Posted by ChrisWebb on April 17, 2010

I like the idea of bringing people back to your own site by posting parts of blogs! clever! Thanks.

Posted by alexterriermusic on April 17, 2010

Hey everyone, I have a "group" page on FB and not a "Fan" page, does any one know if there is a difference?

Posted by akaFluteMan on April 19, 2010

WOW,,,you guys never cease to amaze me,,,cooleoso.

Posted by quietstormbeatz on May 10, 2010

POWERFUL INFO HERE, THANX A TON

Posted by SiConnelly on May 20, 2010

I think this a great interview but I think what most comes out of this is that there really isn't a formula to success online, all the ideas are never really knew ones, but they have
been done a "new" way. which is why it feels clever, but i do believe this achievable in time. I do think though that we should all be prepared for the fact that there really is no
quick way at all, even with hard work it's a heartbreaking challenge which will make most people give up, but don't as the weather is changing. I'm trying to tell myself this most
days.

bandzoogle is a great tool.

Smile

Posted by SethSavageBand on July 18, 2010

I was wondering if anyone out there hails from Texas. Curiosity has me wanting to know whom if anyone plays "Texas Country"?(whatever that is) No disrespect it just seems to me it should just be called Texas Music... Anyhow reason for asking being, networking is the most vital tool we posses. Let me know if your out there!